Withdrawing consent: People power and nonviolent protest in the Philippines

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Power to the people. Great post!
"giving them...doughnuts"
Good stuff, IG, and now we know one of the key elements to nonviolent protest ;o)
I love the phrase "withdrawing consent."
Thanks, Kev. You and I have talked about this before, but never on my blob. What happened in the Philippines in the 80s is so remarkable that I usually assume I don't need to mention it...but once in a while I run into folks who maybe missed it, or were a little too young to have been paying attention at the time.

I wish I know what the magic formula was. Why does nonviolent protest work in some cases and not in others? Mr. IG and I have talked about this a lot. I'm still not sure what the answer is. But I do know that it can work. And I didn't believe that before I saw it with my own eyes.

Great stuff here. I know I have mentioned I recall the Philippines of the 1980s, but never why, I don't think.

I recall that time in Philippines government, not because of the shoes, but because that was the first time I think I truly realized that the rest of the world did not live like the USA. I always thought everyone lived free and did as they pleased (except in East Germany and Russia, I guess). I thought everyone in the world had the right to free speech and was protected and had the inalienable right to - I don't what you call it - the freedom to just BE.

When I realized this was untrue, I woke up.

As I've occasionally observed over at grumblebunny's (she has been tracking these developments better than any other Voxer I know)

But 98% of my posts are neighborhood only. Perhaps I will change that for the fearmongering posts in the future, because spreading awareness is a good thing.

Tasty treats are a key component of any successful revolution. Everyone knows that. :-)

My father and I used to try to deconstruct what happened... Maybe Filipinos are just a bunch of Homers, susceptible to the lure of the lure of any donut, regardless of principle. Or religious saps who can't bring themselves to shoot someone just because she's wearing a nun's habit. Seriously? I remember my dad telling me that in our case, those soldiers were just hungry. They hadn't been paid in months. They were just poor folks trying to earn a living, you know? And they were having as hard a time of it as anyone. Faced with a bunch of peaceful protesters who treated them kindly and offered them food and flowers -- they found that they couldn't follow the orders they'd been given. Maybe some of them even realized that they were on the wrong side of the line.
I hear you. I've going back and forth on this post myself, wondering if I should make an exception and put it out publicly. Thoughts?
If this post were public, I would so submit it to TiG. I actually knew very little about this seeing as I was practically a zygote when it happened. What a powerful story!

Tough one. I too like my privacy, and my safety. I am afraid of the United States government more than I am any real, imagined, or alleged terrorists. So I tend to keep my blog on lockdown and only post music for the general population out of fear of reprisal from my own government, I honestly believe NO ONE is safe from the US government, especailly not its' citizens.

But I do believe, think, feel that if you were going to make something public, this post would be a good one to do it with.

I have been considering the Burmese Monks, and now People Power, and wonder how is it that they can find the will, drive, and desire to speak up for themselves, but yet people in America seem content to keep their head's up their collective ass.

This post inspires me and gives me hope that if we can wake enough people up, we might have a snowflake's chance in hell to live Free once again.

And all 100% true, SN. Like I said, I don't know whether what happened in the Philippines can be replicated elsewhere. Personally, I'm convinced that the authority of the Catholic Church was a huge, huge factor. Most Filipinos would agree, I think.

Anyway...like I said on Redzilla's blob, witnessing this was transformative for me politically and philosophically. And it forced me, against my natural inclinations, to have hope for humankind.
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Wow IG, this brought tears to my eyes. Who knew peaceful regime change could exist?
Shoot, Val. If smart, plugged-in Americans like you, grumble, and ShushNow don't know this story then I wonder if that's reason enough to hit the "public" switch...? If anyone who has commented so far has any objection (for personal safety reasons or whatever), let me know. I can delete your comment(s) to protect your left-leaning, subversive hides. :-)
Had Filipinos decided to go on and struggle for a more equitable distribution of wealth, the abolition of the military, or a decentralized government that was more responsive to their needs, who knows what more amazing things they might have achieved.

Maybe this is the next revolution. Thank you for reminding me of an amazing time and place, IG.
I don't know why non-violent work in some cases and in others it doesn't. I think a lot of it has to do with whomever is in power. I remember in Los Angeles when they were talking about cutting funding for AIDS medications. Our quiet picketing protest got no results. When we went for more "shock" by covering ourselves and the steps of City Hall with gallons of blood... they not only didn't cut the funding they increased it. George Bush and his cronies are hard headed and I don't think violent protest would change any of their minds. I agree with Grumble Bunny, I think something as simple as a VOX post is enough to get in trouble with the U.S. Government; as it stands now. Reading post like this is inspiring and does give hope that we will be free again in the U.S.A. The Senate is voting on the Matthew Shepard Act tomorrow and already Bush has said he will veto the bill, even though a majority of Americans support it. There is hope that there will be enough votes to override a veto; but I'm not counting on it. Only fifteen and a half months left of this administration. I wonder if things will change that much when it's all said and done. I guess time will tell.

I am sick and tired of being fearful. I say post and let the chips fall where they may.

Speaking of chips, did you all see this? Heh, and a bag of chips too...

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IG, this is SUCH a good post. I vaguely remember this from the news.... but I don't think I heard very much about the withdrawing of consent bits... and the people power... I did hear about Aquino getting shot on his way out of the plane and Marcos eventually loosing power and a gazillion shoes... but I never heard of the donuts and the flowers and the nuns praying the rosary in the front. Very good post.
I vote for unlocking - the people have a right to know!

I think one of the major reasons I hadn't heard about this was because I was a wee one at the time, but also because the history classes in my high school (and I took nearly all of the ones they offered) barely touched on Asian history.
Although, as long as you're pouring your blood out on the steps, I think it still counts as "non-violent." ;o)

Have you ever read Robert Hass' poem "Paschal Lamb"? In it, he's writing about the Vietnam war, but it could be applied to all kinds of conflict situations. He posits that if everyone opposed to the Vietnam war had cut off his/her little finger and mailed it to a politician or a newspaper, the Vietnam war would have ended the very next day. It's an amazing poem and an amazing idea. Every time I read it, I think of Northern Ireland and the Basque region of Spain and Jerusalem. I imagine a crowd of unarmed civilians pelting politicians and soldiers with their own severed fingers.

Now that would give new meaning to giving Bush the finger.
Oh well, I guess it's as good a post as any to send out there. Probably won't be read by anyone but my own hoodies anyway! But just in case...if I do vanish mysteriously one day...y'all will send out a search party, right? And bring me donuts as I languish in a detention camp. :-P
Jesus Christ, Redz. What a concept. Um... *mind wanders aimlessly* Ladyfinger cake...
Hm... Is it my imagination or did this discussion dry up instantly as soon as we talked about making it public? :-D
I think everyone is trying to decide which finger they would be willing to part with. Public is fine with me. I'm sure they already have a file with my name on it. I've sent a few emails to the "shrub" these past few years.
I was worried it was the talk of chopping off our fingers...I do have a habit of killing conversations with weird observations. Sorry.

Anyway, the feds have had a file on me since I was 12--my father was a big league tax evader.
i've had no time to weigh in, and might not for a while (might be tomorrow before I get a chance), but just wanted to let you know that I'm awfully glad you posted on this... and on the US, for that matter. (As things are now.)

Must go to music class...
I am on a different time zone and went to lunch, then we had 2 visitors in the office, but I am still paying attention and reading the updated comments.
Haha, just checking in! Had left work, made dinner and just poured my second glass of wine. But I'm back.

I'd send my pinky in to stop the shenanigans in Iraq. Does that count for anything. Anyone else with me??
Sure, I don't have any particular need for my pinky that I can tell. Would a toe do? I've never liked my pinky toe.
Ooh, I'd much rather give up my pinky toe. Useless...

Our government (current) has spent 7 years turning us on each other so we have a hard time gathering together against them because we are so against each other. While the country worries about Kevin and I getting married, Britney's twidget, Anna Nicole's baby our liberties are eroding and our true freedom is being sold wholesale to the highest bidders. They are elevating themselves to Marcosian levels with their $7,000. shower curtains and Jimmy Buffet Karaoke parties while people still starve to death in The United States of America. Starve...to DEATH! Our society has become so overstructured that people are scared to give up anything for fear that somebody else might have more than they do. They tie up our resources fighting for freedoms elsewhere and we spin our wheels just keeping food on our tables and for long, hard hours daily. We get home and blog and then it's time for bed. Our Revolution is being stolen by our shitty economy. It keeps the oppressed fighters (US) from having the strength to do things as a group. The only people who are organized (through tax breaks and weekly meetings) are the churches who fight against everything that is Godly and humane in the name of misguided politics. The rogue leader of this band of nere-do-wells is our President who has hurt our country and it's people to the degree that I sometimes, perhaps often think of moving elsewhere. Just to be free again. I am a fighter when it comes to injustice. I can't shut up. It works periodically but it also scares like minded people who don't wish to be drawn into controversy. But it is controversy damnit. When something is wrong it is not because I say or think so. It is simply because it is wrong. I see "Lemmings" being used all over the place and I don't think that's a bad thing. We are conditioned to not "follow" any longer. We are enticed to be the leader rather than the follower so we all have big and bold ideas that we want to stand behind and don't take a backseat and let anybody step forward and take over and lead us. We need to be Lemmings sometimes and not just egos that think to ourselves "If only everybody thought the way I do everything would be alright". We turn out en masse to see performers or athletes but try to get somebody into the streets for a cause.

I think posts like this should be public for the mere chance that it will ignite a spark in some person, some group of people who just might take us forward through their message and lead us out of this apathetic slump we are collectively in. IG, your voice has power and you come from experience and high ideals. This is not the stuff stalkers are looking for. They want your bunny pops or your Ipod. In cases like this you have the safety and strength in the numbers of friends you have supporting your message. I defy anyone to interrupt this thread with woeful doubt or hateful negativity. The rest of the stuff is just fun amoung friends but when the Earth needs to move it needs us all to cut off a finger while we push it forward. Thank you and all the other Voxers who do put it out there. I too am learning about privacy issues but it comes from darker places than liberty and justice. It simply comes from ignorance and hate. Not disagreement. You , my dear have a voice that is appreciated because of the message it speaks and because of the way it is spoken. We are everywhere. We all feel the same way and yet it is going on all around us as though how we feel doesn't matter. It does matter and your example here is inspiring to all of us. I couldn't run out of my office and into the streets but I will certainly seek out others who feel this way and join them on the front lines of their choice. I may start out in the crowd but I will never sink to the back of the pack when wrongs are being committed against good people.

We turn out en masse to see performers or athletes but try to get somebody into the streets for a cause.

I was thinking earlier today, I wished the people who pay so much attention to the Next American Idol or Top Chef, or the best dancer, fashion model or what have you - paid even 1/4 of the attention to what's going on around in our country.

I'm starting to come up with a plan...sell tickets for a much-desired reunion tour. Then once people have arrived, we spring the trap. Haha! It's actually a protest! *sigh* My desperation is showing.